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Cara Forelli
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Posted - 2016.03.06 01:58:32 -
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This will ruin content in wormhole space.
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Posted - 2016.03.08 03:54:17 -
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Since when is "free intel" more OP than being able to suddenly disappear to magical faerie "RL" land without a trace and absolutely no way to confirm whether or not you still exist?
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Posted - 2016.03.08 18:18:26 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:I'm still not seeing how this hurts one side more than the other. Yeah, I get the loss of intel part, but that's on both sides of it
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The watchlist, to me is just one of those perfect intel things that couldn't be subverted. Now, with it gone, everyone's perfect intel is now less perfect. You have to work harder to get your targets, and you have to work harder to see who's hunting you.
You mean I have to wait longer (possibly for the rest of my life? ) to see if the person I was literally just looking at decides to decloak again, or if they're just done for the day and logged out already. Which only punishes me, the person who is actually still playing, because the other person, isn't logged in! And then when I log out someone else will be punished for the crime of playing past my bedtime.
Less intel means less content, so everyone losses. In wormhole space we don't have the luxury of local to blatantly show your online status. Without watchlist I can go from diligently watching you to suddenly wondering if I'm just playing with myself in a split second.
And no, CCP did not consider this. They have a history of suddenly pushing out bad changes without thought. They just happen to have a decent game which is hard to completely destroy with a single change.
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Posted - 2016.03.08 22:52:48 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:
I hope that is 'on topic' enough.
No offense (I know you are new) but you clearly don't know what you ate talking about. CCP often announces sweeping bull headed changes and has to retract them when the players bring up concerns they didn't consider. They did it just a few weeks ago with force auxiliary skill books.
Unfortunately for me, I doubt they will retract this one because too many people support it. I won't quit over it but it may force me out of wormhole space to find content. I guarantee if the "no free intel" crowd had to spend a day without watchlist OR local they would be singing a different tune. There's nothing fun about playing eve by yourself.
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Posted - 2016.03.09 13:59:44 -
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Ni Neith wrote:Cara Forelli wrote:This will ruin content in wormhole space. You mean it will ruin gangs on krabs in the wormhole space...
Assuming I understand your childish lingo...no. It will literally have no affect on hunting PVE players. I don't need watchlist to see your ship on scan and kill you. It will only deter me from looking for targets that actually do want a fight, because I have no way of knowing they are online once they cloak. Which means people will just rage roll to kill ratters because even that is better than waiting hours for the stratios you saw next door to come back (maybe?). So it will actually be worse for ratters. Some content.
Ni Neith wrote:Poddington Bare wrote:Malcanis wrote:You do realise that now they also can't see that you're online? Never let facts or common sense get in the way of a good rant. It is not common sense just because you call it so. Tradehub campers, gankers etc. will profit much more from this in high sec, than people they are looking for. It is simple as that.
Are you dense? Tradehub campers and gankers don't use watchlist, that's why they are camping busy places. They just wait for something to fall in their lap. The people using watchlist are way more proactive about "doing intel" since that's such a buzzword and seems to be in doubt.
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Posted - 2016.03.09 14:11:31 -
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Ni Neith wrote:Tradehub campers, gankers etc. will profit
Ni Neith wrote:Campers and gankers don't rely on the watchlist and wont care
...you can see my confusion
Cara Forelli wrote:....Which means people will just rage roll to kill ratters because even that is better than waiting hours for the stratios you saw next door to come back (maybe?).
Ni Neith wrote:Right...because the stratios belongs to one of the guys on the watchlist...definetelly. What a stupid argumet.
Uh...I put him on my watchlist when I saw him for the express purpose of being able to give up on fighting him when he logs out. This is literally the only way to know if someone is still playing the game because there's no local.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Ni Neith wrote:You have no idea how WH ganks work. Noted.
People use watchlist to seed caps but it won't stop them.
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Posted - 2016.03.12 05:45:19 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:role role role an alt
apply it to a corp ...
locator locator locator locator,
life is now just warps
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Posted - 2016.03.14 18:41:32 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:Mortlake wrote:Literally do please. Also don't be logged off in Airmia, which I believe was in hisec the last time I looked. I hope you're quicker on the uptake than your colleagues?
Toodles.
Update: Still logged off in Airmia. In surprising news, Mortlake today found out that WHs spawn in HS. You learn something new every day. Given you know where I hang out and I play every day, this is simply embarrassing for you at this point. I thought you were a l33t PvPer. Go back to killing miners and industrial ships to pad your KB please.
You are the only one embarrassing yourself
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Posted - 2016.03.15 03:11:11 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:Cara Forelli wrote:You are the only one embarrassing yourself Question for you, how many of you have killed me yet?
I think your killboard is embarrassing enough without going out of my way to find you.
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Posted - 2016.03.18 17:44:56 -
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Uta Benigna wrote:chances are high that already someone else said that but anyway i will do. For my chars who are doing a lot of mining in highsec the watchlist is our only intel. Dont tell me i should have scouts in other systems as i already sub 6 accs - my only chance is to see when people who had aggressed me before come on and then decide maybe better get the fleet back to station. When i see them on the OV it's already too late. Thanks CCP for making mining even more exciting and rewarding (just in case - this sentence is sarcastic)
Cases like this are exactly why ccp removed watchlist and your whining is just distracting from real issues with its removal. Watchlist is not your only intel in that situation and there are plenty of ways for you to protect yourself. In other areas of the game (wormholes, wardecs) watchlist served a purpose which can't be replaced by other intel sources, and that is the real problem.
Try playing at the keyboard. If that's too boring, you might ask yourself why you are mining in the first place.
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Posted - 2016.04.20 13:41:30 -
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March rabbit wrote:We see player warping out and then the ship disappears from D-Scan. WL helps us to see whether he just cloaked or logged off.
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So as you can see: it's not just 'on/off status'. Sometimes WL gives too much info
So you would prefer I wait all night for then to show back up? Have you ever set foot in a wormhole? That isn't free intel, I'm literally watching them! I'm happy to "work" for my intel, but I can't do that if you take away all the tools! Wormhole people already work much harder to find targets. The amount of time I've wasted since this change is ridiculous.
You are so obsessed with free intel that you can't recognize hard earned intel when it's staring you in the face. If he's in my watchlist, I've already been on grid with him. Today. This is not analogous to supers at all.
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Posted - 2016.04.20 22:45:42 -
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Shayla Etherodyne wrote:I fail to see how getting a name from a chat, a third party site that list a corp members or a friend giving you a name and then searching for hin in People & Places count as " hard earned intel" . You don't need to be on the same grid at all. At worst you or some of your corpmates need to know that someone of his corp has been in that wormhole lately.
Adding people in those situations isn't useful in wormhole space. I can add all the random people I like, it won't make them show up in the system I'm in. Even if you do add someone and they log in, you literally know NOTHING about where they are or what they are flying, and there's no way to find out without "gathering" that intel. You can assume that they are in the same system as you, but it's just an assumption - not intel.
I really could care less what those offline people are doing. What I care about is not wasting time waiting on someone I was just looking at who is now on his way to work or headed to the bar.
PS - A quick survey of your killboard shows that your opinion is even less than irrelevant. Maybe you should actually a visit a wormhole before you open your mouth again 
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Posted - 2016.04.21 00:10:27 -
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Shayla Etherodyne wrote:So, what is the truth? Being informed that someone is on line has no value, so you have lost nothing with the removal of the watch list or it is useful and it was free intelligence?
You seem to advocate both things at the same time.
Knowing someone is online doesn't give me some unfair "free" advantage.
It does prevent me from wasting hours of my life playing with people who aren't playing.
If you are too dense to understand this, you don't deserve the explanation.
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